3.6 - Next Steps for: BDT Idea Teams and IMAG/MSM and BDTs

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Next Steps for BDT Idea Teams

Moderator: Gary An

Next Steps for IMAG/MSM and BDTs

Moderator: Hannah Dueck

 

Discussion

People are interested  in having another meeting next year

Topics:

1) (Delia De Buc) Federated Learning, translational framework to "mount" DT for specific applications

2) (Tina Morrison) Developing a maturity model for digital twins, looking at each component for a particular context of use, assess maturity of each component

3) (Dan Isaacs) Digital Twin Consortium - "composability" (61 components) of a DT - expanding key elements of digital engineering, digital threads, DOD 5097 - product lifecycle realized through the digital twin, capabilities table, 12 use cases (under initiative tab) --> joint consortium WG proposed with IMAG/MSM

4) (Drew Pruitt) spending time on taxonomies, preparing for maturation

5) (Gary An) 2 things that make it hard to embed MSM into NASEM loop: 1) mathematical methods specific to VVUQ of multi-cellular MSM - essential for drug discovery, biomedical research to take molecular entities to affect the course of disease, include people from other domains; 2) bring MSM with device engineers to make non-destructive interrogate cellular/molecular milieu --> propose these 2 workshops

6) (James Glazier) bring in European efforts for discussion; toxicology (NIH-COMPLIMENTAIRE) with European efforts too (NAMS)

7) (Emek) multiple clinical trials under different names, with longitudinal measurements of patients, would be useful to have representatives of these trials to join the MSM

8) Publications/Perspective Piece/White Paper

9) Interested in creating/joining new Working Group and what topic?

 

 

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Emek
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Pain points for Biomedical digital twins

Pain point: Evolved systems are coupled tangled hot mess with substantial heterogeneity.

Key Question: How are biomedical digital twins(BDTs) different from Digital Twins(DTs) commonly used in other fields including manufacturing and climate science?

Evolved vs manufactured vs non-evolved physical domains
Within organism and across population heterogeneity

Pain Point: Anna Karenina principle: all healthy subsystems are similar, all non-healthy subsystems diverge in their own way.

Key Question: Do we need baseline models of “healthy population” to build models of disease? What are the limitations if we don’t? How hard it is to build good baseline models?
Baseline models > easier to connect to first principles
Baseline models > easier to collect data in some cases

Pain Point: We are all similar to each other but similar in different ways.

Key Question: How should the cohort wide information should inform the BDT?
Parameterize baseline at the level of individual (interpolation)
Default priors
Cohort informed independent priors
Cohort informed manifold
Model disease with in silico perturbations (extrapolation)
Important that the models are connected to mechanistic components

Pain Point: Humans are not good at evaluating 20.000 data points. Patients and clinicians are humans Ergo…

Key Question: What is the interface between a BDT and clinical decision maker? What if the underlying model is not biologically/clinically grounded? What if the model is grounded but practically irreducible to simple causes/explanations?

Is simulation an explanation? Is UQ helpful or not for interpretability? Is interpretability different for interpolation vs. extrapolation components?

Paint Point : Humans don’t like to be poked repeatedly ( a literal pain point).

Key Question: What are the best modalities for digital twins? Imaging, liquid biopsy, wearables? Is there a way to quantify information value / collection cost ? Are there creative ways to augment limited data? How can we deal with sparse, asynchronized multi-modal, multi-scale measurements in a combined way? Baseline vs Longitudinal vs Real Time.

Pain Point: NimBio - Most people want to achieve the public good by sharing their personal biomedical data in a well protected, fair and transparent system. But a small fraction of the population can generate substantial obstacles if they are sharing-averse.

Key Question: What is the best way to advocate for best technical, social, legal and political solutions that balances public good with personal privacy. Is there an ethical way to nudge the system vs Opt-out default vs Opt-in default? (e.g. Denmark)

Pain Point: We have been in the same room for three days but we still provide divergent descriptions of common terms everytime we start explaining our point.

Key Question: How can we establish a common terminology and aspects to facilitate communication and cooperation in the field.
Common examples, use-cases definitions described using common language.

Submitted by Emek Demir (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 14:26

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Drew Pruett
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I believe your point on healthy models is spot on. The question is how to offer subjects a value proposition that makes them want to donate data. Personally, I believe commercial, nonmedical devices are key to this step.

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Drew Pruett
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I believe your point on healthy models is spot on. The question is how to offer subjects a value proposition that makes them want to donate data. Personally, I believe commercial, nonmedical devices are key to this step.

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People interested in writing publications
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Write you name and contact information here

Submitted by gpeng on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:18

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Amirkhosro Kazemi
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I am interedted in partcipating for the white paper.

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Sanjay Purushotham
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I am interested in volunteering for writing publications.
Name: Sanjay Purushotham, contact: psanjay@umbc.edu

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Julia Brosch-Lenz white paper jbrosch@inm.org
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I would like to participate

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Publication - Josh Loecker - jloecker3@huskers.unl.edu
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Interested in participating

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Eric Stahlberg
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Happy to work on a white paper

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Tien Comlekoglu tc2fh@virginia.edu
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I am interested in participating in the position paper/white paper from this meeting.
Tien Comlekoglu
tc2fh@virginia.edu

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Stephanie George
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Interested in contributing to white paper

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DElia DeBuc
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Grace, there was no link for replying on point 9, so I am Interested in creating/joining a new Working Group. What topic? Federated learning/translational DT framework- the one I proposed earlier

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Zhen Xiao
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I am interested in writing the meeting report or white paper.
As the owner of a Women-Owned Small Business, I am interested in collaborating with academic institutes on building a BDT talent pipeline, offering students and trainees career opportunities after they graduate, and building a Team Science-based team for the sustainable BDT development.
Zhen Xiao zhen.xiao@truvante.com

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Stephanie George
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I am interested in working on a white paper, georges@ecu.edu

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:19

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Drew Pruett
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Publication: William Pruett, drew@hcsimulation.com

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:20

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Anirban Chaudhuri
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Contact: anirbanc@oden.utexas.edu

I would be interested in contributing to perspective piece or other publication.

Submitted by anirbanc on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:22

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Geoffrey Fox
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Submitted by Geoffrey Fox (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:22

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Jie Xu
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Publication: jxu13@gmu.edu

Submitted by jxu13@gmu.edu on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:22

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Xubo Song
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Publication; songx@ohsu.edu

Submitted by songx@ohsu.edu on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:22

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Jerry Myers
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:23

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Emek
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Publication demire@ohsu.edu

Submitted by Emek Demir (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:23

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Drew Pruett
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WG: ethics or sustainability

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:24

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Xubo Song
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Interested in creating new Working Group and what topic; songx@ohsu.edu

Submitted by songx@ohsu.edu on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:24

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Gary An interested in white paper
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Submitted by Gary_An on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:24

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Ansu Chatterjee (snigchat@umbc.edu)
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Hi. I am interested in:
2, 5, 8, 9

For 9: I would be interested in a VVUQ working group, and in developing a prototype BDT.

Ansu (snigchat@umbc.edu)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:24

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Geoffrey Fox
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Submitted by Geoffrey Fox (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:25

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Abhay BR
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Interested in contributing to the publication

Submitted by Abhay (not verified) on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:25

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Sanjay Purushotham
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I am interested in 1) Delia De Buc's Federated learning topic for next meeting. My current research focuses on Federated Learning for healthcare.

9) Interested in joining/creating and participating in a working group on Federated Learning for Biomedical Digital Twins.

5) interested in participating and contributing to Gary An's workshop on mathematical methods specific to VVUQ of multi-cellular MSM

Contact: Sanjay Purushotham, psanjay@umbc.edu

Submitted by sanjaypurushotham on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:28

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Keuntae Kim
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Publication: keuntae.kim@gwu.edu

Submitted by keuntae.kim on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:29

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Mahsa Dabagh
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interested in white paper/publication: dabaghme@uwm.edu

Submitted by dabaghme on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 15:45

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Jung-Hyun Lee
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interested in white paper/publication: jung-hyun.lee@downstate.edu

Submitted by jhleeneurology on Wed, 10/02/2024 - 18:25

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Feilim Mac Gabhann
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interested in working on white paper(s) (feilim@jhu.edu)

Submitted by feilim on Thu, 10/03/2024 - 09:40

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Keyvan Farahani (NIH)
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I'm interested in contributing to the white paper.

Submitted by Keyvan Farahani (not verified) on Thu, 10/03/2024 - 13:22

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